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	<title>Comments on: Does Your Technology Vendor Put the Ass in SaaS?</title>
	<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679</link>
	<description>A blog by Jason Corsello about HR technology, services and outsourcing trends</description>
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		<title>By: Colin Kingsbury</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2025</link>
		<author>Colin Kingsbury</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm biased, but I agree strongly with your assessment.

The real return to multi-tenancy is not just the returns of scale in terms of hardware, but of talent. Maintaining one instance for one customer is typically about the same amount of work as maintaining one instance that serves 100. Given that skilled DBAs, sysadmins, etc. remain costly, this can easily rival or exceed the cost of the hardware they maintain.

It is true that safely/reliably operating the 100-client instance will require more sophisticated operating practices, as the stakes for the vendor in case of a catastrophic failure increase. However, the returns to scale mentioned above more than cover the cost of this, while the improved architecture/operating practices are a benefit to all clients.

It is also true that single-instance (or traditional on-premise) models do in principle offer a marginally-improved level of initial customizability. However, my experience in both on-premise and multi-tenancy worlds leads me to believe that this advantage is not sustainable. Clients with one-off customizations either end up forking out large amounts to maintain the system, or find themselves falling rapidly behind the upgrade curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m biased, but I agree strongly with your assessment.</p>
<p>The real return to multi-tenancy is not just the returns of scale in terms of hardware, but of talent. Maintaining one instance for one customer is typically about the same amount of work as maintaining one instance that serves 100. Given that skilled DBAs, sysadmins, etc. remain costly, this can easily rival or exceed the cost of the hardware they maintain.</p>
<p>It is true that safely/reliably operating the 100-client instance will require more sophisticated operating practices, as the stakes for the vendor in case of a catastrophic failure increase. However, the returns to scale mentioned above more than cover the cost of this, while the improved architecture/operating practices are a benefit to all clients.</p>
<p>It is also true that single-instance (or traditional on-premise) models do in principle offer a marginally-improved level of initial customizability. However, my experience in both on-premise and multi-tenancy worlds leads me to believe that this advantage is not sustainable. Clients with one-off customizations either end up forking out large amounts to maintain the system, or find themselves falling rapidly behind the upgrade curve.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kutik</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2028</link>
		<author>Bill Kutik</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I always gets stuck on the TCO issue, Jason. Obviously, true multi-tenancy is cheaper for the vendor, but are those savings passed on to the customer through lower subscription rates? Or, as you say, re-invested in the product? I'd like to think so, but remain cynical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always gets stuck on the TCO issue, Jason. Obviously, true multi-tenancy is cheaper for the vendor, but are those savings passed on to the customer through lower subscription rates? Or, as you say, re-invested in the product? I&#8217;d like to think so, but remain cynical.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Stus</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2030</link>
		<author>Michael Stus</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As solutions move further along the SaaS maturity model and more resources are shared, there should be greater opportunity for operational efficiency and savings some of which hopefully gets passed back to the customer. However, some vendors purposely advocate and advertise less sharing especially of certain resources (e.g. database servers) so as to better secure data.  Microsoft in the cited SaaS article discusses that where your application falls in the 'continuum' should depend on multiple factors and business drivers including but not limited to operational efficiency.  So, whether a vendor is developing a solution or a customer  is considering subscribing to one, as your post states, they should makes sure the employed SaaS delivery model is compatible with the predominant business drivers.  

A related article I wrote a while back that your readers may find interesting: http://www.canidiumblog.com/2008/09/off-premise-solutions-lower-eim-spm-entry-bar/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As solutions move further along the SaaS maturity model and more resources are shared, there should be greater opportunity for operational efficiency and savings some of which hopefully gets passed back to the customer. However, some vendors purposely advocate and advertise less sharing especially of certain resources (e.g. database servers) so as to better secure data.  Microsoft in the cited SaaS article discusses that where your application falls in the &#8216;continuum&#8217; should depend on multiple factors and business drivers including but not limited to operational efficiency.  So, whether a vendor is developing a solution or a customer  is considering subscribing to one, as your post states, they should makes sure the employed SaaS delivery model is compatible with the predominant business drivers.  </p>
<p>A related article I wrote a while back that your readers may find interesting: <a href="http://www.canidiumblog.com/2008/09/off-premise-solutions-lower-eim-spm-entry-bar/" rel="nofollow">http://www.canidiumblog.com/2008/09/off-premise-solutions-lower-eim-spm-entry-bar/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Techsphinx</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2031</link>
		<author>Techsphinx</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here's a little test.  Accurately define the term "Instance" in the SaaS maturity model above, including identifying the architectural and technical components that comprise an "instance" as it relates to a business software application.

If you can't break it down technically, and furthermore, justify a particular preference for a particular purpose, you shouldn't even be having this conversation.  Otherwise, all you are saying is, "I think some kind of multi-tennant SaaS solution is best, but I really have no empirical or analytical basis for saying why."

In discussions about the value of technology, the technology details really do matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little test.  Accurately define the term &#8220;Instance&#8221; in the SaaS maturity model above, including identifying the architectural and technical components that comprise an &#8220;instance&#8221; as it relates to a business software application.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t break it down technically, and furthermore, justify a particular preference for a particular purpose, you shouldn&#8217;t even be having this conversation.  Otherwise, all you are saying is, &#8220;I think some kind of multi-tennant SaaS solution is best, but I really have no empirical or analytical basis for saying why.&#8221;</p>
<p>In discussions about the value of technology, the technology details really do matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Corsello</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2032</link>
		<author>Jason Corsello</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2032</guid>
					<description>Thanks Techsphinx.  Classic ERP fud!  I think I have finally determined your identity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Techsphinx.  Classic ERP fud!  I think I have finally determined your identity!</p>
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		<title>By: John Macy</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2037</link>
		<author>John Macy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree the SaaS model is not well understood by most HR buyers and that is why we produced a White Paper called Software-as-a-Service: The HCM Perspective. http://www.jeitosa.com/articles
The white paper is intended to help the HR business community appreciate the difference between a multi-tenant and a single tenant SaaS model and we use the Microsoft classification to help illustrate the difference. There are a lot of HCM SaaS offerings in the marketplace that don’t belong there and buyers must know how to identify them. 
Concerning who benefits from multi-tenant architecture: The vendor or the client? Like Bill I have my doubts that the full benefits of economy of scale are being passed on to the customer but the SaaS vendors need to recover some of their investment money and there will only be a small window of opportunity. SaaS will quickly evolve into HCM component assembly, delivered on hosted platforms, and a new and very competitive community of developers will emerge to force prices lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the SaaS model is not well understood by most HR buyers and that is why we produced a White Paper called Software-as-a-Service: The HCM Perspective. <a href="http://www.jeitosa.com/articles" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeitosa.com/articles</a><br />
The white paper is intended to help the HR business community appreciate the difference between a multi-tenant and a single tenant SaaS model and we use the Microsoft classification to help illustrate the difference. There are a lot of HCM SaaS offerings in the marketplace that don’t belong there and buyers must know how to identify them.<br />
Concerning who benefits from multi-tenant architecture: The vendor or the client? Like Bill I have my doubts that the full benefits of economy of scale are being passed on to the customer but the SaaS vendors need to recover some of their investment money and there will only be a small window of opportunity. SaaS will quickly evolve into HCM component assembly, delivered on hosted platforms, and a new and very competitive community of developers will emerge to force prices lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Coy</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2040</link>
		<author>Charles Coy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2040</guid>
					<description>Love it.  Level 4 is where we've resided for years and it's great to see more recognition of that as the true SaaS model.  

We've created a longer response to your post on our blog as well,  appropriately entitled, "&lt;a href="http://www.cornerstoneondemand.com/blog-demand-software-half-saased-approach-doesnt-cut-it" rel="nofollow"&gt;A Half-SaaSed Approach Doesn't Cut It.&lt;/a&gt;"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it.  Level 4 is where we&#8217;ve resided for years and it&#8217;s great to see more recognition of that as the true SaaS model.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve created a longer response to your post on our blog as well,  appropriately entitled, &#8220;<a href="http://www.cornerstoneondemand.com/blog-demand-software-half-saased-approach-doesnt-cut-it" rel="nofollow">A Half-SaaSed Approach Doesn&#8217;t Cut It.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Bloom</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2044</link>
		<author>Naomi Bloom</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Having written on this topic from the early days of HRM BPO (so from the 80's for payroll and benefits administration), when I insisted that only highly-configurable multi-tenant software would provide the economies of scale combined with service levels that BPO providers and customers needed, the benefits of true, architectural SaaS have been obvious since then.  If you add sufficient embedded intelligence to get an Amazon-like user experience, i.e. eliminating much of what goes on in call/service centers, SaaS can go a long way toward eliminating the need for BPO, at least for some HRM processes.  If you add an interrogatory configurator, something I've been working on with the software vendor community for the length of my solo practice, you're now eliminating much of the more technical configuration work, thereby displacing the systems implementation costs and related consultancies.  What's left?  Brilliant, inexpensive to operate/subscribe software, much shorter implementation cycles so earlier access to the promised benefits, and a lot of work for strategic HRM process/plan/practice designers that's focused -- finally -- on achieving the needed business outcomes.  From improvements in TCO to TCSD (service delivery) to what really matters, TCBO (business outcomes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having written on this topic from the early days of HRM BPO (so from the 80&#8217;s for payroll and benefits administration), when I insisted that only highly-configurable multi-tenant software would provide the economies of scale combined with service levels that BPO providers and customers needed, the benefits of true, architectural SaaS have been obvious since then.  If you add sufficient embedded intelligence to get an Amazon-like user experience, i.e. eliminating much of what goes on in call/service centers, SaaS can go a long way toward eliminating the need for BPO, at least for some HRM processes.  If you add an interrogatory configurator, something I&#8217;ve been working on with the software vendor community for the length of my solo practice, you&#8217;re now eliminating much of the more technical configuration work, thereby displacing the systems implementation costs and related consultancies.  What&#8217;s left?  Brilliant, inexpensive to operate/subscribe software, much shorter implementation cycles so earlier access to the promised benefits, and a lot of work for strategic HRM process/plan/practice designers that&#8217;s focused &#8212; finally &#8212; on achieving the needed business outcomes.  From improvements in TCO to TCSD (service delivery) to what really matters, TCBO (business outcomes).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Specht</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2069</link>
		<author>Michael Specht</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Seems like the choir has turned up on this post, most agreeing with you Jason, &#38; I am also with you on your definition.

As for the value being passed onto the customer, just cause the cost of running might be cheaper for the vendor does that mean they have to pass the reduction onto the customer? Part of the ROI for a customer in a SaaS offering is ability to get new features etc without the whole upgrade process. This means the TOC is lower.

The next dangerous bit is the whole cloud discussion that vendors are starting to have. I have seen several vendor pre-sales consultants promoting their "utility based SaaS in the cloud solution".  The poor HR buyers have little chance of getting to the bottom of what they are really getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like the choir has turned up on this post, most agreeing with you Jason, &amp; I am also with you on your definition.</p>
<p>As for the value being passed onto the customer, just cause the cost of running might be cheaper for the vendor does that mean they have to pass the reduction onto the customer? Part of the ROI for a customer in a SaaS offering is ability to get new features etc without the whole upgrade process. This means the TOC is lower.</p>
<p>The next dangerous bit is the whole cloud discussion that vendors are starting to have. I have seen several vendor pre-sales consultants promoting their &#8220;utility based SaaS in the cloud solution&#8221;.  The poor HR buyers have little chance of getting to the bottom of what they are really getting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Corsello</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2070</link>
		<author>Jason Corsello</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well said Michael.  One of the best propositions of SaaS, which is difficult to value, is what I would call "cost avoidance".  As we've seen with many ERP implementations, they have been customized to hell.  Internal resource costs, costly upgrades and user dissatisfaction, resulting in abandonment is priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Michael.  One of the best propositions of SaaS, which is difficult to value, is what I would call &#8220;cost avoidance&#8221;.  As we&#8217;ve seen with many ERP implementations, they have been customized to hell.  Internal resource costs, costly upgrades and user dissatisfaction, resulting in abandonment is priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil McCutchen</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2106</link>
		<author>Phil McCutchen</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jason, you've raised a good point and the responses reflect a general consensus that I agree with. However, I think the real question is "How will this particular SaaS deployment and architecture approach benefit my firm?"

As the MS article (geared to developers to help build SaaS apps using MS technology) noted; different SaaS approaches typically appeal to different types of buyers/consumers. They use hotmail as one example of a Level 4 SaaS app. That's fine. But it's just a single-user email app. 

When your SaaS app requires integration with outside applications such as Outlook, or other databases, or other applications, or other Web sites, job boards, etc.; things start getting complicated. Add in more user and corporate requirements for multi-level data security, workflow process control and other factors and you may find that the Level 4 SaaS app may not be appropriate to your needs. 

In the final analysis, a Level 4 multi-tenant SaaS app may be perfectly adequate for a relatively small number of users with fairly simple needs. When the number of users and the complexity of their needs increases, a Level 3 or even a Level 2 SaaS deployment approach is quite probably the better solution over the long haul.

I've an article on the subject here: http://www.pointwing.com/Technical_-_SaaS_Software_as_a_Service_for_Staffing_and_Recruiting_Software_-_Part_1.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, you&#8217;ve raised a good point and the responses reflect a general consensus that I agree with. However, I think the real question is &#8220;How will this particular SaaS deployment and architecture approach benefit my firm?&#8221;</p>
<p>As the MS article (geared to developers to help build SaaS apps using MS technology) noted; different SaaS approaches typically appeal to different types of buyers/consumers. They use hotmail as one example of a Level 4 SaaS app. That&#8217;s fine. But it&#8217;s just a single-user email app. </p>
<p>When your SaaS app requires integration with outside applications such as Outlook, or other databases, or other applications, or other Web sites, job boards, etc.; things start getting complicated. Add in more user and corporate requirements for multi-level data security, workflow process control and other factors and you may find that the Level 4 SaaS app may not be appropriate to your needs. </p>
<p>In the final analysis, a Level 4 multi-tenant SaaS app may be perfectly adequate for a relatively small number of users with fairly simple needs. When the number of users and the complexity of their needs increases, a Level 3 or even a Level 2 SaaS deployment approach is quite probably the better solution over the long haul.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve an article on the subject here: <a href="http://www.pointwing.com/Technical_-_SaaS_Software_as_a_Service_for_Staffing_and_Recruiting_Software_-_Part_1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.pointwing.com/Technical_-_SaaS_Software_as_a_Service_for_Staffing_and_Recruiting_Software_-_Part_1.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stephens</title>
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		<author>Robert Stephens</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good discussion Jason!
I would add that advantages of level 4 SaaS/multi-tenant environments offer all of the advantages for vendor and customer success (scale, stability, cost reduction etc.) while retaining the capability to support level 1 and 2 offerings (custom deployments, segregated data etc.). So unless a vendor is dealing with extremely low volume or customer sizes, a level 4 approach is unbeatable.

As to how vendors take advantage of cost savings, whether they return that to the customer (which I believe is more common than not) or simply offer a more robust environment, both relate to customer satisfaction and retention. Do customers want a low price at the expense of stability and service offering? Also, what is the cost of doing business with a vendor that has to spend time and dollars dealing with operational inefficiencies in lieu of better product development or quality control?

It’s true that this detail is less about business drivers and more about technology, but in the end, a sound technology platform with well-rounded processes removes a business hurdle related to vendor capability and trust. Who wants to do business with a partner that says “pay no attention to how we do that…”?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion Jason!<br />
I would add that advantages of level 4 SaaS/multi-tenant environments offer all of the advantages for vendor and customer success (scale, stability, cost reduction etc.) while retaining the capability to support level 1 and 2 offerings (custom deployments, segregated data etc.). So unless a vendor is dealing with extremely low volume or customer sizes, a level 4 approach is unbeatable.</p>
<p>As to how vendors take advantage of cost savings, whether they return that to the customer (which I believe is more common than not) or simply offer a more robust environment, both relate to customer satisfaction and retention. Do customers want a low price at the expense of stability and service offering? Also, what is the cost of doing business with a vendor that has to spend time and dollars dealing with operational inefficiencies in lieu of better product development or quality control?</p>
<p>It’s true that this detail is less about business drivers and more about technology, but in the end, a sound technology platform with well-rounded processes removes a business hurdle related to vendor capability and trust. Who wants to do business with a partner that says “pay no attention to how we do that…”?</p>
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		<title>By: David Rossi</title>
		<link>http://humancapitalist.com/?p=679#comment-2275</link>
		<author>David Rossi</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting writing, I agree that as Microsoft has stated there are degrees of Multi-Tenancy with the appropriate model determined by the metrics of the target customer profile. That said, has anyone considered the other non technical aspects of asking large organizations to participate in a shared environment with what may be their competitors and the implications that has on using technology for a competitive advantage?

Are we saying that only non strategic software should be deployed in a SaaS model where the technology itself is not viewed as a differentiator since all level 4 customers are on the same technology train? 

I believe the level 2 /3 models provide for a higher degree of customer control over feature functionality and therefore a better use of the technology for strategic differentiation from their competition. 

The focus should always be on what is best for the customer and what do they want, not what is easiest to maintain or what benefits the service provider the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting writing, I agree that as Microsoft has stated there are degrees of Multi-Tenancy with the appropriate model determined by the metrics of the target customer profile. That said, has anyone considered the other non technical aspects of asking large organizations to participate in a shared environment with what may be their competitors and the implications that has on using technology for a competitive advantage?</p>
<p>Are we saying that only non strategic software should be deployed in a SaaS model where the technology itself is not viewed as a differentiator since all level 4 customers are on the same technology train? </p>
<p>I believe the level 2 /3 models provide for a higher degree of customer control over feature functionality and therefore a better use of the technology for strategic differentiation from their competition. </p>
<p>The focus should always be on what is best for the customer and what do they want, not what is easiest to maintain or what benefits the service provider the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato Toi</title>
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		<author>Renato Toi</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My experience is that IT architeture should be as invisible as possible. HCM is a HR function, and explaining IT infrastructure to HR people is not necessary if there is an adequate SLA, approved by the IT team.

Also important is that some HR functions requires customization on a per customer basis. This imposes another level of complexity to shared resources solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that IT architeture should be as invisible as possible. HCM is a HR function, and explaining IT infrastructure to HR people is not necessary if there is an adequate SLA, approved by the IT team.</p>
<p>Also important is that some HR functions requires customization on a per customer basis. This imposes another level of complexity to shared resources solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: The HR Technologist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 6 Critical Considerations when Thinking SaaS</title>
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		<author>The HR Technologist &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 6 Critical Considerations when Thinking SaaS</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] best understand the differences between different SaaS models I would recommend that you check out this great blog post from Jason [...]</description>
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